Un pezzo di storia importante, quello legato a Martini, non della storia che finisce nei libri e nelle enciclopedie, ma di quella importante per le persone comuni come me e come Martini, appunto.
Chi volesse sapere qualcosa in più su Martini e le sue attività può leggere le FAQ di Allarme Scientology
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La prima volta che io e Simonetta ci siamo "parlate" è stato via email. Era il 1998 e gestivo, insieme ad Alberto, mio marito, che lo aveva realizzato, il Sito Web del GRIS di Roma. Di tanto in would get requests for information and help through e-mail, then half again little used.
That Harry and Martini (who ran with the Site Alarm Scientology) was an email that I would never forget because it marked the beginning of a collaboration that was interrupted early for Harry, but not for Martini continued, undeterred, the His work of critical information on Scientology to date. The two managers were aware of the alarm site, then that was surely the most current and specialized in the field, saw that have similar objectives and asking us some information before undertaking a series of initiatives on information Web When, some time later, I got to know Simon personally, I realized that we were very different, especially for our beliefs (I am Catholic, you are far). Despite this we share a common desire: to do something to prevent other people end up in the trap of cults and gurus dishonest, something which both, in different ways, we have experienced.
Simon chose to disseminate critical information about Scientology on a personal basis, I decided that in addition to making news, I also tried to render aid and assistance to those who had requested it, because I was part of the association is also involved in this.
I recall with pleasure the first international conference I attended along with Simon: the CESNUR conference in Turin in 1998. She and I went directly home of the "enemy" (as perceived CESNUR in our environment) to discover its weaknesses and, maybe, if possible, give a bit of "discomfort."
experience was really important for both because, beyond the intentions, was the occasion of knowledge and openness to different environments and locations from our own. Not shared, indeed, condemned because it made us think that we would endanger the "cause". However, even that was a way to get to know your enemy, and when the "enemy" look in his eyes, it becomes less enemy and more "human." Then
not including all this was only the first step and it would take several years before being able to look back nin at that 'experience with a closer look would come down in depth.
Simon and I talked a lot in those days told me that although I am Catholic, was able to find points of contact with me on another level, that of values. She said that she seemed to see something called "intellectual honesty", which prevented me from being hypocritical, and this, he said, had never seen before in people who called themselves "Catholic." Usually those who belong to a religion tries to defend and fails to see the "beam" the Gospel in his eye, and can clearly see the speck in that of others.
This was not my case and Simon seemed to appreciate it.
For my part I was struck in her dedication and respect for reason, the "cult" to the reasonableness and freedom of thought, the intolerance for any form of taxation, the desire to learn and broaden their cultural horizons . But all this could not raise the similarities between two people as different as the two of us, if we had not joined another aspect: the tendency to evaluate people not by ideas but by what they are and their actions .
I never even thought to "convert" and she never looked at me with pity or contempt for my faith.
And so we met on the human values \u200b\u200band we estimated that we are not thinking of ourselves change.
I remember when I started to collaborate with CESNUR for the Encyclopedia of Religions in Italy, in 2000, I advised the person who then was President of the GRIS, which I was associated, which encouraged me to participate in the project . When I talked to Simon commented saying it was a good thing that a person of "front" would give an opposite contribution to the first work of its kind in Italy. Following the
always kept informed as the work progressed, the difficulties I met working in a work which by its nature, is not intended to express "value judgments" on the different groups were surveyed. It 'was a very important and Simon is one of the few people with whom I shared uncertainties, doubts, concerns and successes.
Simon was with me not only agree on the first international body to which I participated: one in Turin, but also to another equally significant: the conference at the London School of Economics in 2001 where I celebrated my birthday at the table with the scholars most popular (and very critical with antiseptic) at international level. And even then Martini (in disguise) was there to share with me a special moment. The photo you see in this piece was taken to London, during that conference.
The third great memory is the day we spent together with the late Maurizio Antonello, a special person I met in person with Simon and with whom I maintained a good match for some time. We also exchanged the archive material.
Maurice was a great archivist, as well as being a good professional, so we went to visit him in his library. On that occasion I asked Maurice to help me reconstruct the story of a couple of groups that had drawn up the tab for the Encyclopedia: they were groups that he knew better news to me because he was dating at the beginning of their training. He was happy to cooperate and was also quite proud of the fact that certain documents were not in the library of CESNUR, but only in his.
For my part I learned from Maurizio who had no documents and publications of other groups, however, I had. So, just returned to Rome sent him a package with several books and magazines. He was happy: it was as if he had received a treasure!
But that lasted just one day Maureen told me that the association of which he was part did not like that there were contacts between the two of us: a member of the anti-cult world, of course, was not to write or share documents with people (yours truly ) collaborated with CESNUR (a group of Turin "bad guys" who "uphold the seven")
[About this particular person of ARIS, the Association was also founded in Antonello, clarifies in a comment this piece, there's another version of the denial of Mauritius to continue our collaboration and that this version, which I do not know, may be disclosed only in private].
So our match was suddenly turned off, but I know that Maurice was disappointed because he said it many times in the months that followed, to which her friend telephoned often.
These memories tie to Martini, and much more: to know the people, appreciate what they have good things to say, to experience different fight if necessary, but not to preclude any road and groped always dialogue.
after 10 years from the first virtual contact we both changed, and has been the experience, both positive and negative, to change, illusions and disappointments. In recent years we had heard little, even if none of them had ceased to carry on its promises.
Each time, however, that a situation requires it, that's Martini reappears in its most suitable: a champion of freedom of thought and expression. Not is no accident that the first person who publicly has shown solidarity
when my portal (SRS) has been overshadowed it was her. It was not so much that we felt, but it was as if time had not passed.
2008 was a difficult year for both, but not because of the "seven".
think about it we are united in this: our supposed "enemies" do not really have caused us many problems there are causing our "friends." A fact which is well represented in the famous saying:
from friends look at me from God that I look at my enemies!
Since then have followed in the months and even today people are in full swing (or a two, maybe three, under multiple nicknames) junk messages posted on some newsgroup that did not lead to any reaction in Martini, now accustomed to this kind of "war", except that at some point real people who qualify with name, representatives and spokespersons of ARIS, we are openly and publicly declared agree with those who trash scattered about Martini, with both hands, on the web.
Faced with such a "daring" Martin has done the right thing.
Anyone interested in knowing what can be learned from his own words, of which I quote only the conclusion because it applies perfectly ignorant of my site which
genesis, today is clear:
is worth noting that this site does not "fall under the blows" of the feared Church of Scientology, which has spared no efforts in this direction, but the blows - and the lack of protection - of the so-called "anti-cult movement" Italian who claims to make information and to protect and assist victims of various sectarian movements.
Moral of the story: being ostracized by these people is beginning to be a sort of "reference", a score more, if there were competitions for titles in this strange world.
Busy in these frantic activity at the Italian anti-cult movement no longer has time and resources to deal with the "seven".
Let's just hope it is not known around: if they know the worst and most enterprising abroad "guru" will move to Italy!
So, I would recommend:
AFTER READING THIS PLUG
Delete them and keeping as much ' ABSOLUTE SECRET!
La prima volta che io e Simonetta ci siamo "parlate" è stato via email. Era il 1998 e gestivo, insieme ad Alberto, mio marito, che lo aveva realizzato, il Sito Web del GRIS di Roma. Di tanto in would get requests for information and help through e-mail, then half again little used.
That Harry and Martini (who ran with the Site Alarm Scientology) was an email that I would never forget because it marked the beginning of a collaboration that was interrupted early for Harry, but not for Martini continued, undeterred, the His work of critical information on Scientology to date. The two managers were aware of the alarm site, then that was surely the most current and specialized in the field, saw that have similar objectives and asking us some information before undertaking a series of initiatives on information Web When, some time later, I got to know Simon personally, I realized that we were very different, especially for our beliefs (I am Catholic, you are far). Despite this we share a common desire: to do something to prevent other people end up in the trap of cults and gurus dishonest, something which both, in different ways, we have experienced.
Simon chose to disseminate critical information about Scientology on a personal basis, I decided that in addition to making news, I also tried to render aid and assistance to those who had requested it, because I was part of the association is also involved in this.
I recall with pleasure the first international conference I attended along with Simon: the CESNUR conference in Turin in 1998. She and I went directly home of the "enemy" (as perceived CESNUR in our environment) to discover its weaknesses and, maybe, if possible, give a bit of "discomfort."
experience was really important for both because, beyond the intentions, was the occasion of knowledge and openness to different environments and locations from our own. Not shared, indeed, condemned because it made us think that we would endanger the "cause". However, even that was a way to get to know your enemy, and when the "enemy" look in his eyes, it becomes less enemy and more "human." Then
not including all this was only the first step and it would take several years before being able to look back nin at that 'experience with a closer look would come down in depth.
Simon and I talked a lot in those days told me that although I am Catholic, was able to find points of contact with me on another level, that of values. She said that she seemed to see something called "intellectual honesty", which prevented me from being hypocritical, and this, he said, had never seen before in people who called themselves "Catholic." Usually those who belong to a religion tries to defend and fails to see the "beam" the Gospel in his eye, and can clearly see the speck in that of others.
This was not my case and Simon seemed to appreciate it.
For my part I was struck in her dedication and respect for reason, the "cult" to the reasonableness and freedom of thought, the intolerance for any form of taxation, the desire to learn and broaden their cultural horizons . But all this could not raise the similarities between two people as different as the two of us, if we had not joined another aspect: the tendency to evaluate people not by ideas but by what they are and their actions .
I never even thought to "convert" and she never looked at me with pity or contempt for my faith.
And so we met on the human values \u200b\u200band we estimated that we are not thinking of ourselves change.
I remember when I started to collaborate with CESNUR for the Encyclopedia of Religions in Italy, in 2000, I advised the person who then was President of the GRIS, which I was associated, which encouraged me to participate in the project . When I talked to Simon commented saying it was a good thing that a person of "front" would give an opposite contribution to the first work of its kind in Italy. Following the
always kept informed as the work progressed, the difficulties I met working in a work which by its nature, is not intended to express "value judgments" on the different groups were surveyed. It 'was a very important and Simon is one of the few people with whom I shared uncertainties, doubts, concerns and successes.
Simon was with me not only agree on the first international body to which I participated: one in Turin, but also to another equally significant: the conference at the London School of Economics in 2001 where I celebrated my birthday at the table with the scholars most popular (and very critical with antiseptic) at international level. And even then Martini (in disguise) was there to share with me a special moment. The photo you see in this piece was taken to London, during that conference.
The third great memory is the day we spent together with the late Maurizio Antonello, a special person I met in person with Simon and with whom I maintained a good match for some time. We also exchanged the archive material.
Maurice was a great archivist, as well as being a good professional, so we went to visit him in his library. On that occasion I asked Maurice to help me reconstruct the story of a couple of groups that had drawn up the tab for the Encyclopedia: they were groups that he knew better news to me because he was dating at the beginning of their training. He was happy to cooperate and was also quite proud of the fact that certain documents were not in the library of CESNUR, but only in his.
For my part I learned from Maurizio who had no documents and publications of other groups, however, I had. So, just returned to Rome sent him a package with several books and magazines. He was happy: it was as if he had received a treasure!
But that lasted just one day Maureen told me that the association of which he was part did not like that there were contacts between the two of us: a member of the anti-cult world, of course, was not to write or share documents with people (yours truly ) collaborated with CESNUR (a group of Turin "bad guys" who "uphold the seven")
[About this particular person of ARIS, the Association was also founded in Antonello, clarifies in a comment this piece, there's another version of the denial of Mauritius to continue our collaboration and that this version, which I do not know, may be disclosed only in private].
So our match was suddenly turned off, but I know that Maurice was disappointed because he said it many times in the months that followed, to which her friend telephoned often.
These memories tie to Martini, and much more: to know the people, appreciate what they have good things to say, to experience different fight if necessary, but not to preclude any road and groped always dialogue.
after 10 years from the first virtual contact we both changed, and has been the experience, both positive and negative, to change, illusions and disappointments. In recent years we had heard little, even if none of them had ceased to carry on its promises.
Each time, however, that a situation requires it, that's Martini reappears in its most suitable: a champion of freedom of thought and expression. Not is no accident that the first person who publicly has shown solidarity
when my portal (SRS) has been overshadowed it was her. It was not so much that we felt, but it was as if time had not passed.
2008 was a difficult year for both, but not because of the "seven".
think about it we are united in this: our supposed "enemies" do not really have caused us many problems there are causing our "friends." A fact which is well represented in the famous saying:
from friends look at me from God that I look at my enemies!
So Simon was viciously attacked and maligned (not unlike me) on some forums and newsgroups by people who gravitate to the world of "critical of the seven", that is his world. For these people and organizations, such as ARIS, Simon has become available in several ways, notably as a translator. But what was the grave mistake committed by Martini, mistake that drew on such ferocity?
What have expressed solidarity with the undersigned, after the 'blackout Portal
SRS, Alarm on Scientology and some newsgroups. What have expressed solidarity with the undersigned, after the 'blackout Portal
Since then have followed in the months and even today people are in full swing (or a two, maybe three, under multiple nicknames) junk messages posted on some newsgroup that did not lead to any reaction in Martini, now accustomed to this kind of "war", except that at some point real people who qualify with name, representatives and spokespersons of ARIS, we are openly and publicly declared agree with those who trash scattered about Martini, with both hands, on the web.
Faced with such a "daring" Martin has done the right thing.
Anyone interested in knowing what can be learned from his own words, of which I quote only the conclusion because it applies perfectly ignorant of my site which
genesis, today is clear:
is worth noting that this site does not "fall under the blows" of the feared Church of Scientology, which has spared no efforts in this direction, but the blows - and the lack of protection - of the so-called "anti-cult movement" Italian who claims to make information and to protect and assist victims of various sectarian movements.
In conclusion, I would say that, after all, in Italy, "cults" have nothing to fear.
The Italian anti-cult environment tends to eliminate slowly and surely his most able and brilliant leaders, implements legal harassment against its own members, raises internal feuds involving the use of time and money, is delighted to silence the dissent minimum, to oust the "deviant" and defaming the victim of the moment (the series: today for me tomorrow for you).
short, real attitudes of "intolerance" which manifests itself not only destructive to the "enemy" (the seven), but also to his friends, those who are on the same side of the fence.
observing the phenomenon with a bit of detachment (difficult, but you can try) I can not think of dozens of Avandia studies led by sociologists and psychologists who have established beyond possible doubt that the attitude of intolerance is strongly correlated with the 'ignorance or lack of culture. The Italian anti-cult environment tends to eliminate slowly and surely his most able and brilliant leaders, implements legal harassment against its own members, raises internal feuds involving the use of time and money, is delighted to silence the dissent minimum, to oust the "deviant" and defaming the victim of the moment (the series: today for me tomorrow for you).
short, real attitudes of "intolerance" which manifests itself not only destructive to the "enemy" (the seven), but also to his friends, those who are on the same side of the fence.
Moral of the story: being ostracized by these people is beginning to be a sort of "reference", a score more, if there were competitions for titles in this strange world.
Busy in these frantic activity at the Italian anti-cult movement no longer has time and resources to deal with the "seven".
Let's just hope it is not known around: if they know the worst and most enterprising abroad "guru" will move to Italy!
So, I would recommend:
AFTER READING THIS PLUG
Delete them and keeping as much ' ABSOLUTE SECRET!
HAPPY 2009 TO ALL ... ESPECIALLY A MARTINI:))
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